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		<title>By: Gaw</title>
		<link>http://thedabbler.co.uk/2013/01/doggy-dont/#comment-46915</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 21:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wanted to learn a bit more about the Snoop character and here&#039;s a striking sentence from his Wikipedia entry:

&lt;blockquote&gt;After Snoop Dogg was acquitted of murder charges on February 20, 1996, he and the mother of his son and their kennel of 20 pit bulls moved into a 5,000-square-foot (460 m2) home in the hills of Claremont, California...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sort of sums it up.

Back on topic, I do like &#039;fit as a butcher&#039;s dog&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to learn a bit more about the Snoop character and here&#8217;s a striking sentence from his Wikipedia entry:</p>
<blockquote><p>After Snoop Dogg was acquitted of murder charges on February 20, 1996, he and the mother of his son and their kennel of 20 pit bulls moved into a 5,000-square-foot (460 m2) home in the hills of Claremont, California&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Sort of sums it up.</p>
<p>Back on topic, I do like &#8216;fit as a butcher&#8217;s dog&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
		<link>http://thedabbler.co.uk/2013/01/doggy-dont/#comment-46732</link>
		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, OK, I get it. I saw it out of context. I had no idea that it was a Snoop Doggy Dog album cover, and I haven&#039;t listened  to him, And of course, I wouldn&#039;t expect you to take it down, of course not.

And I know (as a 51 year old single female who&#039;s had her moments) working in the NHS currently but has a history in the media, and worked in the picture libraries for several tabloid newspapers, it still worried me that you should perpetuate that image. 

Thank you for your replies. My worst fear was that I would be ignored and that you (Worm, Brit, Mr Slang) would not even enter into a debate, in which case I could comfortably consign the whole lot of you to a middle-aged middle class exclusively male dustbin (on the other hand, that&#039;s not a bad place to be!). I do have a sense of humour about stuff and it was just painful to have to make a protest. I accept what both of you have said - and yes,the whole rap culture is problematic e.g. my brother will play Eminem in the car, but I object because his children are in the back and I don&#039;t think they should hear the f-word quite so much, and I know that rap is a valid culter in lots of ways (although I realise I&#039;ve just used the world &#039;valid&#039; which is so loaded, but you know what I mean). 

Like a lot of things it&#039;s an artistic expression for good or ill. (blimey, i&#039;ve just heard Philip Hensher and Tom Sutcliffe on Radio 4 discussing Fiona Shaw&#039;s version of The Ancient Mariner in the tunnels below the Old Vic - vanity project or what? - which interests to the same degree. So I have no real issues about aspects of modern culture being discussed on the Dabbler site- the more the merrier. And origins of slang is interesting and bound to feature some stuff which you may not want to discuss at the Ambassador&#039;s dinner party (although, having worked for 3 Ambassadors I&#039;m not sure, but I digress).

Even given all this, I still think it&#039;s a horrible picture and I would just prefer not to have seen it, but that&#039;s a risk of anyone who logs on to the internet - and now, it seems this site. 

but there you go, and that&#039;s all about it, as they say somewhere.

jane

p.s. Brit- I notice you way &#039;will I be removing it?&#039; - I never asked that of you and I wouldn&#039;t expect you to.

p.p.s. it may well be &#039;in the mainstream&#039; - it&#039;s still horrible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, OK, I get it. I saw it out of context. I had no idea that it was a Snoop Doggy Dog album cover, and I haven&#8217;t listened  to him, And of course, I wouldn&#8217;t expect you to take it down, of course not.</p>
<p>And I know (as a 51 year old single female who&#8217;s had her moments) working in the NHS currently but has a history in the media, and worked in the picture libraries for several tabloid newspapers, it still worried me that you should perpetuate that image. </p>
<p>Thank you for your replies. My worst fear was that I would be ignored and that you (Worm, Brit, Mr Slang) would not even enter into a debate, in which case I could comfortably consign the whole lot of you to a middle-aged middle class exclusively male dustbin (on the other hand, that&#8217;s not a bad place to be!). I do have a sense of humour about stuff and it was just painful to have to make a protest. I accept what both of you have said &#8211; and yes,the whole rap culture is problematic e.g. my brother will play Eminem in the car, but I object because his children are in the back and I don&#8217;t think they should hear the f-word quite so much, and I know that rap is a valid culter in lots of ways (although I realise I&#8217;ve just used the world &#8216;valid&#8217; which is so loaded, but you know what I mean). </p>
<p>Like a lot of things it&#8217;s an artistic expression for good or ill. (blimey, i&#8217;ve just heard Philip Hensher and Tom Sutcliffe on Radio 4 discussing Fiona Shaw&#8217;s version of The Ancient Mariner in the tunnels below the Old Vic &#8211; vanity project or what? &#8211; which interests to the same degree. So I have no real issues about aspects of modern culture being discussed on the Dabbler site- the more the merrier. And origins of slang is interesting and bound to feature some stuff which you may not want to discuss at the Ambassador&#8217;s dinner party (although, having worked for 3 Ambassadors I&#8217;m not sure, but I digress).</p>
<p>Even given all this, I still think it&#8217;s a horrible picture and I would just prefer not to have seen it, but that&#8217;s a risk of anyone who logs on to the internet &#8211; and now, it seems this site. </p>
<p>but there you go, and that&#8217;s all about it, as they say somewhere.</p>
<p>jane</p>
<p>p.s. Brit- I notice you way &#8216;will I be removing it?&#8217; &#8211; I never asked that of you and I wouldn&#8217;t expect you to.</p>
<p>p.p.s. it may well be &#8216;in the mainstream&#8217; &#8211; it&#8217;s still horrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Brit</title>
		<link>http://thedabbler.co.uk/2013/01/doggy-dont/#comment-46507</link>
		<dc:creator>Brit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jane - I selected the image as it seemed to illustrate both the Afro-American sense of &#039;dogg&#039; and the cruder versions covered in JG&#039;s post. Sorry if you were offended but Snoop Doggy Dogg (or whatever he&#039;s called at the moment) is a worldwide megastar and therefore the image is already very much in the mainstream and will be instantly recognisable to anyone with a passing interest in hip hop (which I take it you don&#039;t).

Is it sexist? Indubitably, and seems to me to follow in a tradition of &#039;randy dog&#039; cartoons, such as the Loony Tunes wolf who would go through an extraordinary eye-popping, heart-throbbing, panting routine whenever Bugs Bunny dressed as a sexy girl rabbit. 

Will I be removing it? No, since Mr Slang&#039;s posts neither condone nor condemn but report, the illustration likewise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane &#8211; I selected the image as it seemed to illustrate both the Afro-American sense of &#8216;dogg&#8217; and the cruder versions covered in JG&#8217;s post. Sorry if you were offended but Snoop Doggy Dogg (or whatever he&#8217;s called at the moment) is a worldwide megastar and therefore the image is already very much in the mainstream and will be instantly recognisable to anyone with a passing interest in hip hop (which I take it you don&#8217;t).</p>
<p>Is it sexist? Indubitably, and seems to me to follow in a tradition of &#8216;randy dog&#8217; cartoons, such as the Loony Tunes wolf who would go through an extraordinary eye-popping, heart-throbbing, panting routine whenever Bugs Bunny dressed as a sexy girl rabbit. </p>
<p>Will I be removing it? No, since Mr Slang&#8217;s posts neither condone nor condemn but report, the illustration likewise.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Slang</title>
		<link>http://thedabbler.co.uk/2013/01/doggy-dont/#comment-46484</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Slang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George: I think you may have misread - or perhaps I have miswritten - the text. By &#039;infantry&#039; I meant the US Army, not the Marines.

Jane: This may not assuage your feelings, which I naturally regret, but my assumption is that you don&#039;t recognise the pic. It is the cover of the rapper Snoop Dogg&#039;s (then Snoop Doggy Dogg, now Snoop Lion) album &lt;i&gt;Doggystyle&lt;/i&gt; (1993, details here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggystyle). This title was of course a pun, and the lyrics are, as might be expected, even more &#039;vulgar and horrible&#039;: the whole self-glorifying macho mess of sex, drugs, violence and misogyny that was embodied in the category &#039;gangsta rap&#039;. The lyrics are also dense with slang. From my point of view it seems to work: my text deals, after all, with &#039;bad&#039; dogs (and includes a number of sexual terms) rather than cute mutts. None of which will minimise your distaste, but it might set the pic in context.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George: I think you may have misread &#8211; or perhaps I have miswritten &#8211; the text. By &#8216;infantry&#8217; I meant the US Army, not the Marines.</p>
<p>Jane: This may not assuage your feelings, which I naturally regret, but my assumption is that you don&#8217;t recognise the pic. It is the cover of the rapper Snoop Dogg&#8217;s (then Snoop Doggy Dogg, now Snoop Lion) album <i>Doggystyle</i> (1993, details here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggystyle" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggystyle</a>). This title was of course a pun, and the lyrics are, as might be expected, even more &#8216;vulgar and horrible&#8217;: the whole self-glorifying macho mess of sex, drugs, violence and misogyny that was embodied in the category &#8216;gangsta rap&#8217;. The lyrics are also dense with slang. From my point of view it seems to work: my text deals, after all, with &#8216;bad&#8217; dogs (and includes a number of sexual terms) rather than cute mutts. None of which will minimise your distaste, but it might set the pic in context.</p>
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		<title>By: Worm</title>
		<link>http://thedabbler.co.uk/2013/01/doggy-dont/#comment-46480</link>
		<dc:creator>Worm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 08:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jane - thats the front cover of Snoop Dogg&#039;s 1993 album &#039;doggy style&#039; on general release in all music shops since then, so it&#039;s been deemed fit for general consumption (the inside of the cover is much ruder though)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane &#8211; thats the front cover of Snoop Dogg&#8217;s 1993 album &#8216;doggy style&#8217; on general release in all music shops since then, so it&#8217;s been deemed fit for general consumption (the inside of the cover is much ruder though)</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
		<link>http://thedabbler.co.uk/2013/01/doggy-dont/#comment-46348</link>
		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 01:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I fully understand about the discussion of slang - however, that cartoon was just incredibly offensive - and you know why - or do I have to go into details about how the rear end - sorry, arse - of the &#039;dog&#039; is so much like the female form? I am no prude etc etc etc, what people get up to in their own bedrooms in private should stay that way etc etc. I just thought it was vulgar and horrible. 

I am shocked and genuinely taken aback that you allowed this to be put up here. Honestly. I am so disappointed. 

or am I overreacting? I would be interested to hear what people think. I&#039;m just talking about the picture, not Jonathon&#039;s article. 

loving your work as always, just not the pic on this occasion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully understand about the discussion of slang &#8211; however, that cartoon was just incredibly offensive &#8211; and you know why &#8211; or do I have to go into details about how the rear end &#8211; sorry, arse &#8211; of the &#8216;dog&#8217; is so much like the female form? I am no prude etc etc etc, what people get up to in their own bedrooms in private should stay that way etc etc. I just thought it was vulgar and horrible. </p>
<p>I am shocked and genuinely taken aback that you allowed this to be put up here. Honestly. I am so disappointed. </p>
<p>or am I overreacting? I would be interested to hear what people think. I&#8217;m just talking about the picture, not Jonathon&#8217;s article. </p>
<p>loving your work as always, just not the pic on this occasion.</p>
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		<title>By: Brit</title>
		<link>http://thedabbler.co.uk/2013/01/doggy-dont/#comment-46195</link>
		<dc:creator>Brit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correction just seemed a bit confident. Query? Dispute? Refutation?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction just seemed a bit confident. Query? Dispute? Refutation?</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://thedabbler.co.uk/2013/01/doggy-dont/#comment-46002</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is which a correction? Regarding the USMC use of &quot;dogface&quot; or &quot;doggie&quot;, definitely yes. Marines would never have referred to Marine infantry as &quot;doggies&quot;. The rest of it, one might classify as clarification or just random dogmanship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is which a correction? Regarding the USMC use of &#8220;dogface&#8221; or &#8220;doggie&#8221;, definitely yes. Marines would never have referred to Marine infantry as &#8220;doggies&#8221;. The rest of it, one might classify as clarification or just random dogmanship.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Joe Joe Jr.</title>
		<link>http://thedabbler.co.uk/2013/01/doggy-dont/#comment-45993</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Joe Joe Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does that mean we have a canine-themed Lazy Sunday post to look forward to?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does that mean we have a canine-themed Lazy Sunday post to look forward to?</p>
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		<title>By: Brit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apparently &#039;Who Let the Dogs Out?&#039; is one of Mahlerman&#039;s favourite songs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently &#8216;Who Let the Dogs Out?&#8217; is one of Mahlerman&#8217;s favourite songs.</p>
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